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Welcome to the first episode of season two of The Podcast Producers. We'd first like to say thank you to Podcast Movement for sponsoring us. So, what's in store for season two? Well, we're taking a different direction to the second season than we did in the first. Our goal this season is to have fun and interview some 'old-timer' podcasters. We are kicking off this season with our first guest Dave Jackson, the host of School of Podcasting. He is funny, he has been podcasting for a long, long while, and he's working with Libsyn now! 

A special thank you to the exclusive sponsor of Season 2, Podcast Movement. Podcast Movement is the world's largest gathering of podcasters and people involved in the podcast industry, taking place this July in Chicago. With over 1,500 attendees from around the world, and over 80 talks, workshop sessions, and panel discussions. Featured speakers include past Alex Blumberg from Startup & Gimlet, Anna Sale of WNYC's Death Sex & Money, Glynn Washington of Snap Judgment, Kevin Smith, Tracy & Heben from Another Round, and more announced every week.


To see the full lineup, and to register, visit , and use the code PRODUCERS to save $50 off the cost of registration


[0:06] Thank you Podcast Movement for sponsoring us! 

[0:50] Welcome to season two of The Podcast Producers! 

[3:45] Are we seriously going to do another ten episodes in two months? 

[4:10] Wait! Why are we doing this? What's the purpose of season two? 

[5:15] The most important part for us is to make this enjoyable and fun. 

[5:55] How did we choose these guests for the show? 

[7:55] Our guests have been podcasting for at least one year. 

[8:50] Today's guest is Dave Jackson from School of Podcasting. 

[9:55] Podcast Movement bought all of our ad space for season two. 

[12:45] Are you guys going to Podcast Movement? Call us at 347-480-1153 and leave us a message.

[14:00] Welcome Dave! Sorry we had to reschedule twice. 

[19:00] Dave has helped more people at Libsyn than he did as a teacher. 

[20:45] What are review swaps? 

[23:20] At the end of the day, review swaps are hurting you more than helping you. 

[26:20] The number of reviews you have does not increase your audience size. 

[26:50] At the end of the day, it's really about delivering value to your audience. 

[28:10] The podcaster, Max Flight, started a Slack group for his audience. 

[29:15] Don't focus on the stats. Instead, focus on your target audience and create relationships with them.  

[29:50] What's the deal with iTunes’ New and Noteworthy section? 

[32:45] You're actually not going to see a huge audience spike if you're in this section. 

[33:45] Don't make such a big deal about getting into New and Noteworthy. 

[35:35] Dave has a loud cat and his listeners can hear him in the background. 

[39:15] Which podcasts does Dave listen to? 

[41:15] Dave doesn't find the comedy category podcasts all that funny these days. 

[44:20] Did Dave receive comedy training? His timing is always on point. 

[46:50] Want to grow your audience? Find your competition and then start your show with them. 

[47:15] Corey talks about the elevator incident with Ray Ortega. 

[48:10] Dave Jackson is Corey's hero. 


iTunes New and Noteworthy Ain't All That


iTunes New and Noteworthy Ain't All That

One of the biggest FAQs we get here at Podfly is, “How can I get my podcast in New and Noteworthy?” We get this question quite a lot that it has come to a point where we need to address it. 

First, this is not a 'how to' article on how to get on New and Noteworthy. In fact, you are there automatically once your show is submitted and accepted by Apple. There's plenty of places on the web that will give you tips and tricks for that if you still want to believe you need them. The quick overview of those articles will be:


Get lots of downloads in a short period of time + Get lots of subscriptions in a short period of time = Apple will love you and put you on New and Noteworthy. Also, you're in there automatically, but whatevs.


This is an article that questions the New and Noteworthy starry-eyed glamor to it all. Why do we need to be on New and Noteworthy so badly? 

Of course, exposure is always a nice thing, but ask yourself what is the true purpose of your show. Are you there to get better leads for your business? Are you there just because you love your hobby? Why are you podcasting? When you answer your why, you'll find out that New and Noteworthy is often not the be-all-end-all path you want to take. 

People who get "ranked high" on New and Noteworthy usually already have a strong following. This following is key to your success wherever you go and New and Noteworthy isn't going to make your life better or your following stronger, believe it or not. 

In fact, when you "get on" New and Noteworthy, not only is it much, much harder to track who your audience is, but you won't really know who your true, dedicated followers are. It's no secret that when you get on New and Noteworthy you will see a boost in your downloads and views, but how many of those people are really going to benefit from you and benefit your business/hobby? If you're planning on selling something or leading your audience to a special package, those extra downloads could give you bad data. 

And there's nothing worse than working with bad data.

For example, if you have a business podcast and plan on selling business courses, what use is it if a retired couple downloads your podcast? Sure, you'll get the downloads, but chances are they're not going to spend money or follow you long term. 

Again, the key to a successful podcast is through its followers. Lots of followers might sound great and spectacular, but if they're not dedicated to you, if they're just passing by; which they will be if they download your podcast through New and Noteworthy; then they're not benefiting you or you to them. Take a step back and really ask yourself why you want a bunch of random eyes with no connection to you seeing your podcast? 

Let's break it down further as to what happens when you get incorrect data:

  •  You risk alienating your true following. 
  • You risk marketing your business on a completely wrong demographic. 
  • You risk wasting time trying to find who your 'real' buyers are. 

What should you do instead?

Instead of having such a strong focus and desire to get on New and Noteworthy, take a step back and see who your audience is. What do they like? What are some of the problems they're facing? Expand on that. Work strongly on the content that you produce and focus on better serving the people who care about you. We attract like-minded people, so people who have similar tastes as you will more than likely know people who will like your show too. Word of mouth is still the strongest marketing there is and you are more likely going to get a better quality follower from this method as well. 


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Until next time, Ayn.